Tuesday, December 30, 2008

tea time

so of course the popular social question at this time of year is what one will be doing for New Year's Eve. Perhaps a wild party, or perhaps a quite night at home.
I know I'm rather excited this year. I was inspired by my friend who spent a semester in London, and my own personal love of England; to recreate the fashionable "high tea" party. I'm sure it won't really be anything like what they would have over the pond but we'll do our best. One major difference is that we'll be having cocoa rather than tea. We don't drink tea and frankly cocoa sounds infinitely better to me, but that might be a personal thing. Along with cocoa we'll be having my interpretation of tea dainties and all that sort of thing. We'll also be dressing up in our formal attire and if I can get everyone to do it (and if it's not too painful to listen to) using British accents.
It may not be the wild party that some are looking forward too but I'm excited. Happy New Year and all that. Don't drink and drive if you drink.

Sunday, December 21, 2008

intenational pancake night

Tonight we had three types of pancakes. We had latka's potato pancakes, in honor of the approaching begging of Hanuka (they're quite good by the way). My little brother wanted German Pancakes, so we had those and to finish off the evening we had creeps, a French Pancake. It was fun and delicious.

Thursday, December 18, 2008

Finals

...are OVER!!!!
It's rather exciting. This is my second to last finals. I will graduate in April. The good news, I don't think I failed the last two required classes I was taking. I even got a B- on a paper which was 500 words short and written very last minute. Life is very good.
I now need to get myself into a regime of working very hard on my art. Actually having said such, I think I will go work on that now as it's more important than posting on a blog that nobody reads...that's what journals are for.

Wednesday, December 17, 2008

books


So as you may know, or perhaps you don't, I have taken bookbinding for two semesters now and I really love it. I love books, and so I also love to make them.

I hadn't realized how many types of bindings there were, I just thought of paper backs and hardbacks. It turns out though that my favorite binding is one I'd never heard of called a Coptic binding, which is about the oldest binding there is...I think it looks like this:
If you want to learn more or see more, you should go to this site http://byubookbinding.blogspot.com

Wednesday, December 10, 2008

the homework is over

I started this blog as an assignment for my English class, but now class is over, just the final left, so if there's any more posting, it'll be for wanting to post

Saturday, December 6, 2008

source for paper c

Leonardo da Vinci's Last Supper: the Case of the Overturned Saltcellar

Audience: People interested in the Last Supper, by Leonardo da Vinci and it's restoration, specifically art historians.

WATCO: restoring/cleaning the Last Supper on it's integrity as a painting and on the art history community as a whole.

Enthymeme: Cleaning/restoring the Last Supper has had unfavorable results as concerns the painting and the academic community as a whole because of the doubt and confusion it has revealed in its scholars on accuracy and meaning.

E/L/P: Pathos: There is an appeal to Pathos in the very title,"the case of the overturned saltcellar" hearkens back to murder mysteries and the excitement that they infer. Logos: The research in the argument makes an appeal to logic because it shows that this is something that they didn't just make up. Ethos: There is an appeal made to ethos through the pictures of the Last Supper and various reproductions, the visual to go along with the written lends credibility.

STAR: Sufficient: I believe that the amount of research and logic put into this is sufficient, it's quite substantial.

Goal/Effective?: I think the goal was to convince the audience of their findings and that restorations/cleanings are a dangerous business and I believe they were effective at this.

Saturday, November 29, 2008

Classic Movies

I love the great old movies, I've been revisiting my love this semester as I've been introducing my roommate to them. My roommate had never heard of Carey Grant, and so I had to fix this. There's so many great old movies, in many ways they don't make movies like they used to. I'm not saying that they don't make good movies today but I think they make a lot fewer movies that are truly great.
In going through to find movies my roomie should see, I've been trying to remember all the really great ones that everybody ought to see, along with that I've been finding even more that I need to see.
I thought I'd make a list of movies
Spellbound: Peck, Bergman, Directed by Hitchcock. It's a really awesome movie
To Kill A Mockingbird: Peck This is both a movie and a book and both are just wonderful.
Mr. Smith Goes to Washington: Stewart, Aurther, Rains. A very good and moving movie.
Only Angels Have Wings: Grant, Aurther. A little known movie, it's a romance, quite good.
We're No Angels: Bogart I was very surprised at this movie, I wasn't expecting very much but it was very funny and quite sweet. Incidentally it's a Christmas movie.
Roman Holiday: Hepburn(A), Peck One of Audrey Hepburn's first movies, Rome, Hepburn, Peck, what more could you ask for?
Casablanca: Bogart, Bergman, Rains. Probably one of, if not the best, movies of all time.
Sabrina: Hepburn(A), Bogart, Holden. I love this movie, I prefer this version to the one with Harrison Ford, but they're both good.
Philadelphia Story: Stewart, Grant, Hepburn(K). A good classic movie
Bringing Up Baby: Grant, Hepburn(K). Kookie, crazy and very funny.
North by North West: Grant, directed by Hitchcock. A great Hitchcock thriller.
Breakfast at Tiffany's: Hepburn(A), Peppard. Not to everyone's taste but I've always liked it.
Operation Petticoat: Grant, Curtis. A submarine that takes on women and then gets painted pink. It's quite funny.
How To Steal A Million: Hepburn(A), O'Toole They break into a museum and steal something. Funny, good pace.
Paris - When it Sizzles: Hepburn(A), Holden. Hilarious, that's all I have to say
There's a lot more but that's all I'm gonna do for now.

Monday, November 24, 2008

random





So my blog is boring and unexciting, so I'm going to put up some pictures. The one above is one of the books I made winter semester, above that is blue pancakes from homecoming weekend, above that is a geometric design I did and above that is a dog I saw when I was in New York, it was pretty cool.

Speech

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/MovieSpeeches/moviespeechtokillamockingbird.html

Atticus' speech from To Kill A Mockingbird

If first link is not complete then go to http://www.americanrhetoric.com and look for To Kill A Mockingbird under the Movie Speeches.

Audience: A jury of farmers from the South, Alabama or Mississippi if I remember right, during the 1940's or 50's. Simple less educated men. A further audience is those that read the book or see the movie, those who perhaps are more educated, faced with the ongoing issue of race in the United States.

WATCO: the racial roles/stereotypes of that time/any time on those who enact/live with them and the caliber of people they are or become.

Enthymeme: There is a very negative effect of racial roles/stereotypes both on those who suffer from them and those that live by them/enact them because it reflects poorly on them as human beings and their intelligence.

E/L/P: Logos: the logic of this argument is undeniable, or at least is should be, Atticus sets forth fact after fact that prove that Tom is innocent and that the blame lies with the Ewll's. Pathos: this is also a very emotional argument, for the jury it would have been a natural thing for them to doubt Tom over the Ewll's despite Tom's good character and the Ewll's shady character because they had been told all their lives that black/negro people were bad, lying and cheating. To believe the plain logic they have to accept that part of their life has been a lie, Atticus knew this and so begged his audience to try and put these emotions aside and listen to what their hearts might be telling them was true.

STAR: Sufficient: The argument is more than sufficient for a more modern audience, one more removed from the incident and who may have been raised in an environment with less racial discrimination, who are perhaps more willing to face the facts presented. I find it hard to say whether the argument should have been sufficient to the primary audience because I belong to the second, I would like to think that the argument and persuasion would be sufficient but I also know the result of the book and so I admit my bias.

Goal/Effective: The goal for the courtroom audience is to make them see that their prejudices were not sound, if not to acknowledge it right away then to at least to start thinking about it, and that Tom was innocent. The goal is really pretty much the same for the viewing audience. I think the goal was semi effective in the courtroom and probably much more effective in the viewing audience, at least I hope so.

Tuesday, November 18, 2008

music video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKu2QaytmrM

We Didn't Start the Fire by Billy Joel

Audience: America, specifically the baby boomers generation and their children.

WATCO: the the actions of Americans on their own happiness and the world around them

Enthymeme: The actions of Americans are having a negative effect on their own happiness and the world around them because with each new fad, or have to have item they become more withdrawn, they become more arrogant and take their arrogance to the world.

E/P/L: Logos: There is a definite appeal to logos in this video, the families portrayed are familiar to the audience, similar to those they might have known or seen on a sit com, I Love Lucy, for instance; but in this portrayal the rose colored glasses of a sit com have been taken off. It combines the two the fantasy and reality that people know making them face what may have really been there. Ethos: The familiarity of the family scenes portrayed as discussed above lends credibility to the argument. Pathos: There is also an appeal to pathos in that this is the lifetime of the audience, these are all things they lived through or were a part of, it makes it personal to them.

STAR Typical: The events mentioned in the song are nothing new to these people, they're a part of history and a part that they would have lived through. Sufficient: In just the song it's less clear what Joel is after but the portrayed families, those who might have been on TV or lived next door, cement the message by expanding and adding a visual.

Goal/Effective?: I believe the goal is to maybe take off the rose colored glasses that are often in place when people look back, to show events that have taken place in the recent past in connection with how they impacted the people of America and to be a warning to the future, to show that they will be responsible for more than just the happy memories. I thing it's very effective.

Saturday, November 15, 2008

song

Wah-wah by George Harrison

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/g/george+harrison/wahwah_20059075.html

Audience: Those that listen to George Harrison's music, people who might be interested in being a star, possibly whoever made him a star.

WATCO:being a star on your happiness?

Enthymeme: Being a star can have a negative effect on your happiness because it may not really be the life you want to live.

E/L/P: Ethos: There is a bit of an apeal to ethos, the credibility is lent to the argument by the fact that Harrison was a star, as such he would have a lot more knowledge of what it's like than most people. Pathos: There is a huge appeal to emotion in this song, using the onomotopia- like words "wah-wah" these words can express much more emotion depending on how they are sung. There is also appeal to pathos in that the very point of the song is that the singer is not happy, and that their audience has been ignoring that, it's something that causes others to have sympathy and identify with them.

STAR: Sufficient: It is sufficient, there is enough there to catch the interest of the listener and make them currious and want to find out more, thus listening to the song and listening to the message.

Goal/Effective: I believe the goal of this song is to make them rethink life and their goals and to see that everything is not as it's cracked up to be. I believe that if one actually pays attention to the lyrics then it's effective, otherwise it's just a cool song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab7QsGlTfro
This is a link to a live performance of the song.

Saturday, November 8, 2008

paper

you will have the paper Monday so you can compare it then

WATCO: lacking a single definition of art on the art world and the work that it produces?

Audience: Art students, specifically those at Brigham Young University.

Enthymeme: Whenever artists/art students are unable to have a concise definition of their study/work it is detrimental to society because no one can be in agreement and anything goes

Whatever is not clearly defined results in chaos


E/L/P:Logos: The appeals made are mostly aimed at logos, by showing similar case examples, and bringing to focus how the rest of the world views the art world and how they have viewed it in the past. Ethos: I am an art student, so that lends some credibility, and the sources I site are big names in

STAR: Relevant: The sources brought up and the arguments made are relevant both from the art perspective and from the student perspective at BYU.

Goal/Effective: The goal is to show that there is a single definition to art and that people would get a lot further by learning it and matching their work to it. I think the paper is fairly effective at this.

Saturday, November 1, 2008

source for paper

http://www.homeschoolutah.org/pages/Ben%20Crowder.htm

Audience: Parents interested in homeschooling their children, specifically LDS parents in the Utah area.

WATCO: homeschooling your child on their learning and accomplishments?

Enthymeme: Homeschooling has a positive effect on your child's learning and accomplishments because it allows them to learn what they are interested in and become self motivated in their pursuits.

E/L/P: Ethos: The appeal to ethos in this article is that this is written by a mother who home school's her children and who's children have done very well by this method of education. Logos: It seems natural if it has worked so well for one such family that there is such potential for others.

STAR: Relevant: Often there are concerns about the academia of homeschooling, the qualifications of parents and the socialization of the child(ren), yet here is a family who have well rounded children with high achievements. The children are able to excel in things that the parents know nothing about. This is completely relevant.

Goal/Effective: I think the goal is to show what is possible through homeschooling, things that people might not even imagine. I think this is very effective, it addresses many of the things that concern people about homeschooling and how they have been overcome.

Thursday, October 30, 2008

Meme


I was tagged with a meme. I am told that that means I am supposed to find the fourth picture in the fourth folder and post it. So this is a picture of my cousin's scarecrow when they lived in Indiana, and a tornado moved in that position. Yeah.

Saturday, October 25, 2008

movie preview


http://www.changelingmovie.net/
Audience: This preview appeals to those who watch movies with an interest in historical events, mysteries, and injustices, as the film is rated are the audience is limited currently to those who are over the age of 17 or can some way get into a rated R movie. This preview would appeal to men because Angela Jolie stars in it and to women because the heroine is trying to fight the system.
WATCO: your watching this trailer on the chances of your seeing this movie in the theaters?
Enthymeme: whatever causes you to watch this movie in theaters is positive because whatever causes you to watch this movie in the theaters allows the filmmakers to make more money and make more films.
E/L/P: Logos: there is a strong appealing in this trailer to one's logos, a mystery is presented to the viewer, and in order to find out what happens or why, you have to go see the movie, it's a fairly straight forward and logical argument. Ethos" there is an appeal to ethos as well because the movie is advertised as based on a true story, this is not just some lame story that someone made up, that renders it more credible. Pathos, there is also a very strong appeal to pathos in this trailer, the story is portrayed as being a very dramatic and emotional story. A woman's son is missing, this is a pain that most people could identify with or image how painful it might be, so the ethos ties back into the logos and ethos.
STAR: Sufficient: I believe that the persuasive elements are sufficient, there seems to be a delicate balance in such things between not revealing enough to peak the viewer's interest without giving away the whole movie and leaving no reason for an audience to go and see it. In this trailer it seems to be done, the key attractions the audience might have to the movie (as mentioned in audience) are laid out without being able to determine for sure what the outcome will be...with the exception of the idea that it might be a happy ending because that tends to be a strong trend in Hollywood.
Effective/Goal?: The goal is clearly to get people to spend their money in the theaters to come in see the movie, and of the movie itself perhaps to get people to question the system that surrounds them. I believe the first goal to be very effective, I know that the first time I saw the trailer I groaned upon the announcement of the R rating and am still considering going to see it. As for the second goal I think it's probably pretty effective but I would have to see the movie to be really certain...in that it aids the first goal.

Friday, October 17, 2008

art


Hercules Farnese

Audience:Greeks, due to it's subsequent survival Romans and the modern world.

WATCO: What are the consequences of seeking power on your life?

Enthymeme: Seeking out power isn't worth it, it consumes your life and leaves you without much joy or happiness.

E/L/P Ethos: Ethos comes from the assumption that the viewer is familiar with the story of Hercules and the seven labors he performed, the original audience, the Greeks would have of course been familiar with it and so there is groundwork laid by their knowing the story. Pathos/Logos: the pathos and logos of this are somewhat intermingled, in his body language Hercules is leaning heavily on a support and his face is downcast and does not appear happy. It is logical because of the audience's emotions and how the audience reads his face and body language are universally read.

STAR Typical: This work is very typical of the time, heroic nudes were one of the main art forms of the time. It's a medium and style familiar to the times and depicting what was then a well known story.

Effective?/ Goal: I believe it was very effective, it's not the way that Hercules is generally depicted, he's generally triumphant, I believe the goal was to make people reconsider the story and their own goals for power. It worked for me.

ps if you can't get to the picture try this link: http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/LX/HerculesFarneseNapoliMetro.html
and pps yes it is a nude so he will be naked, don't look if it bothers you.

Saturday, October 11, 2008

Source

W Magazine "Out of the Picture."
September 2008 by Jenny Comita

Audience: People interested in fashion, probably a majority upper middle class/ upper class women. People further interested in art, possibly on the more liberal side of things. People aware of the Metropolitan Museum of Art and all that it stands for.
WATCO the choice of the director of the Met on it's standing as a museum and prestige.
Enthymeme:The effect of the choice of director of the Met on it's standing is positive if said director can improve the range of what the museum offers and how many people come to see it because the museum fulfils it's purpose and becomes even more prestigious.
whatever improves the range of the museum's offering and how many people come to see it makes the museum more prestigious.
STAR Sufficient: I believe it is fairly sufficient, there are references to how many wonderful new acquisitions have been made including famous well established pieces such as a Van Gogh and a Vermeer which should be names quite familiar to the audience. It also talks about how de Montebello was asked to come to the museum rather than the museum asking him, showing that he is well qualified. It talks about how long he has been doing his job and the good/controversial things he's done. As the article says that long of a run without a little bit of controversy would be stagnant. Typical: I believe this is fairly typical for the audience, things and issues that would be familiar and important to the target audience.
E/L/P Logos: There is a lot of appeal to the logos of the reader, facts presented that rather speak for themselves.
Effective/Goal: I believe this was effective, I think the goal was not to make people love the man but realize that he's done a lot of good work and made the Met the place it is today. I think it is very effective.

Friday, October 3, 2008

Encounter

My encounter was a few months ago when some kids from the boys and girls club knocked on our door and tried to sell us a subscription to the Daily Herald for some fund raiser.
Audience (presumed): There were a lot of assumptions made in this encounter, as it was a kid about 10, it's hardly surprising that he wasn't exactly on the mark, at any rate, the most critical assumption made was that I had cash to spare to support his cause, a surprising amount of people seem to assume that college students have cash to spare...obviously they've not reached that phase in life or they don't remember it. It was assumed that I read the news paper but did not have a subscription already.
WATCO : WATCO of buying a subscription to the paper on the kid's college education?
There are very positive effects of buying the subscription on the kid's college education because buying the subscription will lead to money being donated to the kid's college education.
Enthymeme: Whatever leads to buying the subscription will lead to money being donated to the kid's college education.
E/P/L: Pathos was the main appeal of this argument, here someone sent out a roughly 10 year old kid, apparently unsupervised to try and sell subscriptions and get money donated to his college education. There is a high guilt factor, the kid was there because of the Boys and Girls club, implying that he probably didn't have the greatest financial background. Another appeal to guilt is in approaching college students who know how expensive college is and how hard it can be.
STAR: Sufficient: The information provided was that if I bought a subscription to the paper, even if I canceled it after a month, the kid would get a certain amount, I don't remember how much, donated to his college education. For me I didn't find this sufficient, there were a lot of loose ends left, like why someone trying to raise money would send their representative to college students, why this seemingly gracious sponsor would send kids out to beg unsupervised. It was insufficient for me but perhaps to the audience they thought they were getting it would have been sufficient.
Effective: It was not effective, it annoyed me more than anything and I didn't buy the subscription.

Please let me know if I need to include more E/L/P or STAR.

Friday, September 26, 2008

Article/Editorial

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/18/opinion/18cohen.html?_r=1&sq=the%20king%20is%20dead&st=cse&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&scp=1&adxnnlx=1222455666-xKyeP0Xcacdp/6gpKJC5aA

failing that showing up NYTimes.com The King Is Dead by Roger Cohen

Audience: I believe the main audience for this article to be Ivy League college seniors, especially those considering careers in investment banking. A secondary audience might be the world of investment banking and Wall Street finance.

WATCO college seniors going into investment banking for the money on the greater good/Wall Street.

Enthymeme Whatever is gone into for the money is dismal for the greater good/Wall Street.

Ethos: I think there are some good appeals to ethos, for one thing he mentions that he has been a professor at Princeton. Another appeal comes from what one of his former students had to say on the subject, someone the audience can easily relate to. Cohen also quotes authors of books on the subject for another dose of ethos.

Pathos: There are good appeals to pathos as well, I am not quite the target audience but I was drawn to the article when I realized it quoted one of my favorite songs by Coldplay. A younger age group is more inclined to listen to those who can see things or at least be in touch with their view on life. There is a wonderful appeal to pathos about the freshmen who are eager to change the world and end up in investment banking, it's a slightly low blow mini guilt trip to remind seniors what they started off for and how they've drastically changed.

Logos: The investigation into why people went into investment banking, and further why that might not have been the greatest idea, seems to appeal to logos, it seems very clear cut and 'if, then' similar to train of thought.

STAR
Sufficient: I feel that the information and arguments made are sufficient for the audience, a little more might not hurt since the target audience are Ivy League seniors but, still quite sufficient.

Typical: Yes, it is typical, talking to and quoting people who are authorities, this is exactly what highly educated people would be looking for. The quotes from Coldplay are also typical to the audience on another level, to a generation of young adults who's music is full of political and social statements.

Accurate: He hit several guilty areas right on the head, the things people might want to ignore but can't.

R: As far as I can tell the information all seems quite relevant.

Effective/Goal: The goal of this article seems to be aimed at getting people, specifically college seniors, to realize that going into investment banking, simply because it promises a large salary is not the best idea and really to think about that and the consequences it brings.

Friday, September 19, 2008

To Kill A Mockingbird

I decided to branch out and actually use this blog for more than just my English assignments. So for anyone's reading pleasure is my review of To Kill a Mockingbird by Harper Lee. So last Saturday I was invited to see the movie To Kill a Mockingbird, I wasn't too enthusiastic about it but I knew that Gregory Peck was in it and so I figured it couldn't be too bad.(if you don't know who he is then look him up right now and then go watch one of his movies, Roman Holiday and Spellbound are both very good.) At any rate I saw the movie and I absolutely loved it, it was funny, persuasive and powerful. After having read the book I can also say that the movie does the book pretty good justice, I believe the author worked with them on it. I watched the movie before reading the book and I think I liked it that way, the movie followed the book quite well and so in reading the book I enjoyed knowing what was coming up and seeing what was in the book that wasn't in the movie.
Getting more to the book, I think Harper Lee did an excellent job in telling this story. I enjoyed the p.o.v. of the story, it's told from the point of view of Scout/Jean Louise Finch a sort of looking back on her childhood in the little town of Maycomb. The details were very vivid, and the characters well developed. I found my self hooked on the book and looked foreword to each 'visit to Maycomb'. This isn't really a technical review and I didn't really plan out what to say but I loved this book and the movie and I think you should go out and read/see them both.
One word of caution, if you're like me, you may pick up southern colloquialisms after reading this book

Thursday, September 18, 2008

Commercial(TV)

http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=tv%20commercials&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#

The commercial I will be analyzing is #9 on the clip (the second)

Argument: You should buy a Soken DVD player because the DVD won't skip as it might on other players.

Audience: People who watch DVDs, people who are likely more technologically inclined, this commercial seems to be from when DVD's were a newer thing. The intended audience seems to be Japanese but could be for America or some other English speaking country. The age range is people from their twenties to their forties.

How:
The commercial also produces a very strong argument for it's non-skipping product by recreating the annoyance of a skipping DVD so that it is fresh in the audience's mind, reminding them how they have felt when this has occurred to them, this is an appeal to logos and pathos; the audience can experience for themselves the annoyance of a skipping DVD and realize that something that could eliminate this would be better, the appeal to pathos comes in the frustration felt from something skipping and not functioning as it ought. There is an appeal to ethos if this is intended for an America audience, the individuals in the commercial are both Japanese, it's pretty well known that if not now, then at the time when the commercial was produced, Japan's technology was very advanced; as it is a piece of technology being promoted, this all makes sense. The appeal to ethos for both a Japanese and an American audience is derived from the professional business setting and the dress of the individuals, they seem to be successful adults and therefore worth trusting or emulating.

Effective: I would say that this is a fairly effective commercial, in studying it for analysis I found myself cringing each time the woman started skipping and wishing for a way for it to play smoother, though I am not strictly speaking the target audience for this commercial, I feel that the negative reaction to the skipping is probably fairly widespread and would be shared by the target audience.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5969141464970481430&hl=en

Thursday, September 11, 2008

Print Ad


I got this ad online and I'm not even positive that it's in English, but it's also such that it's okay if it's not.

Argument: The argument in this ad is that the featured motorcycle is really cool and that it is essential in your life, you should go get one right now.

Audience: Presumably young adult to midlife crisis aged males, particularly ones who might not be secure/satisfied in their manliness.

How: This ad uses pathos and slightly to ethos. The picture shows fit athletic men straining to get a hold of the motorcycle, this is an appeal to the pathos of the target audience, the men in the ad are manly and fit specimen of 'ideal' men and they want the bike; at home Joe Shmoe is not an athlete, he probably doesn't have an exciting job either, but he can want that bike just like they can, more than that he can buy the bike and have something going for him in the 'ideal man' category. The ethos of the ad is not so credible but none the less, as the men in the ad are athletes, the supposed leaders of the social scene since elementary school, the lend credibility of the social implications of the ad.

Effective?: I'm not totally convinced of the effectiveness of this ad, granted I am not the target group, but I would think that for someone who wanted a motorcycle in the first place, this would have a good chance of swaying their decision.

The End.